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Roadmap Version 1.6

Discussion in 'RoadMap' started by shibuya246, Apr 15, 2014.

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  1. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    Version 1.6 of Hotaru CMS core code is being planned for release in the first half of 2014

    Planned features are:

    • mysqli library
    • bootstrap css framework to ver 3.x
    • jquery libraries
    • fix all links on admin page for new forums

    • FontAwseome 4

    • memcache status
    • planning on making the Category and Category Manager plugins part of the core code

    Bug Fixes

    Note: This release will be a short cycle one to bring the code up-to-date for added functionality in version 1.7
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
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  2. studee

    studee Active Member

    i didn't saw this post i commented on the version 1.7 just now, good to see BS3 is in pipeline along side memcached.

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  3. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    Good to see to drive on the road, anyway I will be looking on my site what has happened from long time ago. I still remember about back cover and avatar.

    Is there any way we can make a site like facebook page? I mean where the users can post their own posts on their profiles instead of on main site?

    I have thought something similar Facebook page or Google plus page site, but does this Hotaru will DO?

    The likes counter should be on the page, is it possible?
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  4. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    Is this the type of thing you mean for "like a Facebook Page"? The Journals plugin was designed to allow users to post like a diary or journal
    Here is the demo that was made some time ago

    Also, I checked and these demos still exist as well

    Let me know what else you are thinking and we can keep the discussion going
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  5. suresh

    suresh Moderator


    I mean just above the image that I marked red square. The number of likes or views, also you can see at right Google plus sample. When we post its easy to embed images videos and links etc as facebook and Google plus are allowing.

    It will be easier to post anything.

    I had looked over that demo, but unable to login to see how we can able to post.
  6. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    I just visited the forum link thread and read other posts, and they are obviously what they said i was too looking for that types.

    "Is it possible to have the Journal entries show up in the main/'Top' list? "

    If this journal entries will show up in the main page, then new content will be easier to index in search engines.
  7. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    If the theme was designed to show both journal entries and other posts then yes they could both show up
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  8. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    Would this help with the view count?

  9. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    I read the thread, but found it was counter for posts. Good to see some of the plugins already built.

    I want a counter to the page, also is it possible user can create multiple pages or page?
  10. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    At the moment, the admin creates pages by loading them into the correct folder structure

    Static page
    You are able to create and display static pages by saving them in to your /content/pages folder.

    The static pages are independent of the theme, so if you select another theme they will still display albeit with the css styling of your new theme.

    Static pages which are useful to have on your site may be
      • Welcome
      • FAQ
      • Terms of Service

    Do you mean for the user to create pages?
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  11. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    Yep, user should create page or pages, It is just like Facebook or Google plus page.

    Does this available in journal plugin for posting content? see the attached screenshot.

  12. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    The feature for users to create a page is not available, but the journals plugin does let users create a post. Facebook Pages normally refer to setting up a brand or group page, which is different to the image you have shown here. Do you mean users can make a post or actually make a page ?
  13. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    I will check the journals plugin soon, what am saying is users create a page and post in that page. I will private message to you some of examples.
  14. angolanmade

    angolanmade Well-Known Member

    Hey fellas.

    Here are a few things that come mind.

    • Improve share functionality
    • Improve ability to create original content (more usual friendly)
    • Add a Visual Editor?
    • Ability to upload your own image profiles needs to be easier
    • Improve spam - How do we stop them from registering?
    • Add multiple images to posts
    • Sitemap plugin doesn't seem to working
    • The ability to share videos, images etc needs to be look at
    • How about the ability to integrate sliders
    • Overall Hotaru needs to be move towards also becoming more visually appealing
    • More theme options

    I know some these things are possible currently, but they need to be more plug and play rather hacks & modifications.
    Just my thoughts... Thanks for considering.
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  15. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    Really good thoughts here. I like a lot of these and agree hacks are not the way to move the code forward. We need a real solution for each one.

    I think we need to make a few of these part of the core rather than plugins.

    I would also like to get a discussion going with some theme designers since any changes to the core will affect the way the themes are put together.

    How many people are hoping / planning / trying to design a theme for Hotaru?
    Would you like to sell the theme or provide it for free?
    What help do you need to make a theme?
    What would prevent you from making a theme?
  16. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

  17. valMETNG

    valMETNG Administrator Staff Member Admin

    (Gets ready to have his hand slapped for modifying core...)

    I've done quite a few mods to core. I understand the reasons for the plugin concept - you want to keep it light for speed and, at the same time, not everyone wants the same functionality. However, the more functionality (plugins) is added, the slower Hotaru seems to get. It also can cause problems (that sometimes took me days to find) because the order in which the plugins execute seem to be extremely important sometimes. (And when you uninstall/reinstall a plugin, things can get whacked because they are then out of order.)

    My point being that, given the state of social networking, there are probably many features that are no longer appropriate to consider as plugins (e.g., anything to do with images, user signin, categories, tags, posts, comments, spam, activity and, perhaps, even voting). Too many of these are now so common that it's "cost of entry" just to have a social network.

    Additionally, Hotaru query functionality (the base of which appears to be /libs/Database.php) probably has some serious room for improvement. Because Hotaru is designed somewhat piecemeal to allow for plugins, it is very inefficient when it comes to hitting the database. Many plugins (and even core) hit the database (and, oftentimes, the same tables) multiple times when you could do JOINS and only hit the database once. Generally speaking, page handling really needs some work, especially when it comes to hits to the database for pagination. I don't remember the exact numbers but I think I was seeing something north of 500 database hits for one front page load (and that's just for however many records were set to come back for pagination; go to page 2 and you do it all again). After all of the rip-and-replaces I did with queries across plugins and core, I think I'm down now to about 40 database hits for a front page load, and even less for next pages.

    Sure, doing things with memcache will likely help speed things up, but it doesn't appear to address some of the core design problems (which may have been appropriate in the early years of Hotaru and the state of social networking at the time). I would guess it's better to hit the database fewer times without memcache than it is to hit it more times with memcache. Granted, all of my core mods will make it extremely difficult for me to consider upgrades. It was a trade-off.
  18. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    I totally agree with you. Whilst a fully modular design was planned initially for Hotaru, social media sites have now staked out a number of basic items that should be in the core. Developers can then write plugins around those basic core items rather than having a plugin based on a plugin based on a plugin type architecture.

    My initial thoughts are, I would like to see the following made as part of the core:
    • User
    • User Signin
    • User Management
    • Categories
    • Category Management
    • Comments
    • Comment Management
    • Images - Something for image upload, crop (basic media services)
    • Tags
    • Activity for keeping a db record of the activity, although stats using activity data may be a plugin
    • Voting
    • Pages
    • Groups
    • Search
    Some form of spam services as part of core with plugins able to extend and add to it. I would have to decide which of these to tackle first and insert them into the RoadMap activities, but basically 2014 would be the year of bringing plugins back in to the core in an effort to make it easier for others to program plugins and to also improve performance.

    I would like to rework this a lot and reduce the queries down as far as possible. Do you have some test site or data to share on this? It may change as I bring things into the core rather than plugins but if we could collaborate on this I think we can improve a lot more.

    My final question is one of demand. Do you think there is still demand for a CMS like Hotaru and is it too late to make these improvements? Have we missed the chance? I can put time into making changes, but we always seem to end up with the same small group of people on the forums rather than any new ones (apart from spammers). Thoughts?
  19. suresh

    suresh Moderator

    There should be a check box for deleting spam posts as this forum had. It is hard to delete spammers and posts on Hotaru CMS
  20. shibuya246

    shibuya246 Hotaru Developer Staff Member Admin

    Yes, the forum spam deletion method is very easy to use and we can learn from that a lot
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